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Poster: He Live's Date: Nov 9, 2007 7:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: FEELIN GROOVY JAM, Re: SLIPKNOT! = Dark Star?

hey elbow!...

i have thought that that was UJB popping up in dark star before too, but isn't it the "FEELIN GROOVY" JAM we're hearing? like the same descending pattern bobby often dropped in before rider:

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as for the fire you heard in the matrix show, i couldn't find it in a quick survey but i am sure it must be there somewhere....was this a HEARTBEATS SHOW? i don't hear bobby, and they mostly just jam. (and mostly, when the jams get rolling along, phil seems to keep going into caution/otherone....and in that, you get a sense of how much better and more complete the dead were, even in 1968, with all of the members present....bobby and pig had their faults, but here we can see they were sorely missed....)

i was always under the impression that Fire on the Mt. was at least half Mickey's tune...i think they had been toying with it informally for years before the hunter lyrics came along and it got married to scarlet begonias......?

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This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2007-11-09 15:20:53

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Nov 9, 2007 8:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: FEELIN GROOVY JAM, Re: SLIPKNOT! = Dark Star?

In the case of this Dark Star it is definitely UJB. I love those late 73-74 China>Rider transitions but this is not one of them. Definitely check out 11/7/69 it really is a great show and the boys are clearly having fun while performing that night.

I think that 10/10 show is a Hartbeats show and I see that Cliff has already told you where to find the Fire in it (he told me before when I brought up the issue of Fire too!!). As for missing Bobby and Pig, I have to say that the shows on 10-12 and 10-13 are amongst my favorite and while Bobby is back, Pig is not. I don't really miss his organ in the dark stars either.

I think these little snippets of songs you here in these late 60s jams are just that; an improv or solo that sticks in their minds. They then seem to get incorporated into other jams like the slipknot! in Eyes in 73-74 or Fire in the Scarlet jams of 74-76 before developing into stand alone songs, in this case in 75 and 77. So Jerry plays something in 68 that Mickey may have helped him turn into a song by 77.